S2000 & Group N, The future of rallying? - Page 3

c4

Michel Nandin, who recently quit Suzuki, expresses his views on S2000+, amongst other things. http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/...exclusive.html

M5

Originally Posted by SUBARUNORWAY1
Ok but you can't keep saying that forever, come on the S2000 can't even do a donut on tarmac. The wrc is already underpowered on tarmac.

Its all about being quickest using what is available within the regulations, saying that the current WRC car is underpowered, even on asphalt is in my opinion very far from the truth. You can always wish for more, and thats the reason for this discussion !!!!!!

Everything turns in to a moped when you get used to it. When I bought my old M5 with 340 hp, it seemed like a rocket to me, two years after, its not that special....

Helstar

Originally Posted by c4
Michel Nandin, who recently quit Suzuki, expresses his views on S2000+, amongst other things. http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/...exclusive.html

It's strange because if you read the interview he talks like he'll be involved for quite a time in SX4 development... he couldn't say the truth until the contract is over (end of the year ?), isn't it ?

M5

Would it not make sense to have a S2000 based WRC that was constructed to have a turbo from begin with, also the drivetrain - and NA S2000 with the same drivetrain - and that one would be bulletproof ?

jparker

Originally Posted by M5
Would it not make sense to have a S2000 based WRC that was constructed to have a turbo from begin with, also the drivetrain - and NA S2000 with the same drivetrain - and that one would be bulletproof ?

I've been thinking the same way for quite some time. After all, I'm yet to see full tech specs of Suzuki WRC.

LeonBrooke

Originally Posted by M5
Would it not make sense to have a S2000 based WRC that was constructed to have a turbo from begin with, also the drivetrain - and NA S2000 with the same drivetrain - and that one would be bulletproof ?

I'd read that that was how they designed the SX4 - so that it could be converted to S2000 comparatively easily - i.e. with suspension and aerodynamics.

Audimadgeoff

Originally Posted by SUBARUNORWAY1
But i don't think we are going to see stuff like this by the S2000. Has anyone ever seen a S2000 jump by the way? without the rear wing and dampers there's no way we are going to se 50m jumps anymore.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4...fa00cfd828.htm

Really???

not too bad for the first ever gravel jump tackled by the MSD built MG S2000 Sport!

SubaruNorway

Well anyway they need to make the S2000 much faster than today to not get beaten by the old group N cars.

Was that jump 50m? and how was the landing? David Higgins Corola almost goes end over end on the Barry Johnson jump at 5sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Cp0...eature=related

Audimadgeoff

It wasn't 50 metres.... apart from Henning no one came close to the 50 m mark, but it landed perfectly.

Tom206wrc

Originally Posted by SUBARUNORWAY1
Well anyway they need to make the S2000 much faster than today to not get beaten by the old group N cars.
...

A well driven S2000 is already faster than a well driven GrN

BDunnell

Originally Posted by HaCo
Makes me think of '87... From Gr B to Gr A. Well, it wasn't that bad!

I agree. Despite what some might think (and what some might have thought at the time), that transition was almost immediately successful. There were some great events in the 1987 WRC — Sweden, Portugal, the 1000 Lakes and the RAC were all excellent.

BDunnell

Originally Posted by SUBARUNORWAY1
Ok but you can't keep saying that forever, come on the S2000 can't even do a donut on tarmac. The wrc is already underpowered on tarmac.

I don't think power and the ability to do donuts are everything — far from it.

BDunnell

Originally Posted by AndyRAC
If S2000 means lots more manufacturers, then I'm all for it. At the moment the WRC is almost a Ford benefit ( not forgetting Citroen). I would prefer S2500, but it doesn't look as if this is possible. A competetive WRC is what we want, if S2000 gives us this then I won't complain.

And if it means the cars are spectacular, with a mixture of different types represented (as Group A originally allowed), it has tremendous potential.

A.F.F.

Originally Posted by Tom206wrc
A well driven S2000 is already faster than a well driven GrN

I agree. Need proof ?? Alen this year at NORF.

HaCo

You should see what Loix did in the Polo in Belgium: lot's of high speed sideways action + very high jumps too (like in Haspengouw)...

Tom206wrc

Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I agree. Need proof ?? Alen this year at NORF.

Also Magalhaes at Rali de Portugal, Basso in italian championship, Fuster/Hevia in Spain and Bouffier in Poland,...

AndyRAC

What do you want? Hi-tech expensive WRCars with 2-3 Manufacturers or Less expensive lower-tech cars with many Manufacturers?

Personally, its a no-brainer,

cut the b.s.

Originally Posted by AndyRAC
What do you want? Hi-tech expensive WRCars with 2-3 Manufacturers or Less expensive lower-tech cars with many Manufacturers?

Personally, its a no-brainer,

But this is not the choice that is to be made, rallying formulas have often been set up to bring in more manufacturers, however history shows that only a couple will succeed and stick at it, dont kid yourself S2000 will be no different, unless rallying moves away from manus and to a common spaceframe silhouette category this situation will always be so

AndyRAC

Originally Posted by cut the b.s.
But this is not the choice that is to be made, rallying formulas have often been set up to bring in more manufacturers, however history shows that only a couple will succeed and stick at it, dont kid yourself S2000 will be no different, unless rallying moves away from manus and to a common spaceframe silhouette category this situation will always be so

While I know what you mean, I think there's a greater chance of more Manufacturers coming in and joining if the cars are cheaper and easier to produce, obviously there's no guarantee, but the current situation is no good. Something had to be done, it's a case of wait and see

Leon

Originally Posted by AndyRAC
While I know what you mean, I think there's a greater chance of more Manufacturers coming in and joining if the cars are cheaper and easier to produce, obviously there's no guarantee, but the current situation is no good. Something had to be done, it's a case of wait and see

If we consider Formula 1 then propably the answer to attract more manufacturers lays on the value of the WRC for the manufacturers in terms of promotion and return on their investment and not lets say the costs or the number of events. In F1 only one team/manufacture wins every year but we do not see the other manufactures who loose consistently leaving the series because the association of a manufacturer with f1 is more valuable than the win of a championship.

my opinion.